No, they are just set +h to Tifosi my hub, and the leaf tries to link. It just don't connect to the hub.
when i do the .link leaf on the hub it instantly links, so i'm thinking it could be something to do with the telnet initiateing from the leaf shell.
I will look into the telnet adress and port for the hub once again... but as i've said before.. the leafs on that shell has an exact copy of the working leafs on the hubs shell, just another ip and vhost.... so it's all very wierd.