sooo very very confused.. need help... lots of it!

Fissile · Post by **Fissile** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 12:40 pm

Hey everyone hi.. this is the first time i am writing in this forum, and as u may have gathered from my subject. I NEED HELP!!! :'(.. hheeh no seriously though.. i can guarantee this is going to be one big as messages i have lots and lots of question.. i am tired of just sitting, discovering some one day and something else the other day and trying to make sense of it all... huhh its really frustratign...

.. anyone who is going to answer to my "plea of help" is gonn have to spend a good deal of time trying to answer these question.. and i am sry about that.. but it will be really appreciated.

Main question 1] First of all i just wanna know what in Gods name is a bnc and how does it relate to shell. ky let me just tell u what i think it is.. and if i am wrong plz correct me. Ky from wat i gather, a shell is kind of a space on ther internet or a sever.. i really odnt' know what is wat... running primarily on a unix server? is that rite? ky well i hope it is.. and a bnc is a "bouncer" which u can use to "bouce" off.. and from wat i further gather is that a bouncer will alow u to use someone elses ip and do "stuff" using that ip.. now i am really confused wat "stuff" is.. and if you run a bnc on a shell account and bounce of of it wouldn't that reveal your shell account ip.. do shell accounts have ip?.. i dont' know... and wat about the stuff like wat can u do with it...!!! can u connect to mirc with a bouncer? can u serve the internet with a bouncer? and if u can .. thats great.. but if u can't wats the use of a bnc??? how safe is it?... can't a bnc be traced to your sheel and can't the shell be traced back to u.. ??? ky these might be really stupid quetion but look at it from my perspective.. i am really

really

confused...! ky thats as many as question as i can think about bnc now moving on to shell.

Main question 2] ky i am sry and soo thankfull to anyone who is trying to answer these i know i have too many question... and they r very random. but i am just writing whats comming in my head... <uhh disturbing>...

ky moving on.... wat is a shell? i mean in laymans term.. i have read these articels and sites about shell so plz don't reaspond with more sites. i think i have a good primary picture of wat a shell is.. but i wanna know wat it does.. what r some of the stuff that u cna do off of it.. runnign bnc and eggdrops are one.. but what other stuff.. from what i gather u can only run bnc and eggdrops from a shell because shell runon a unix and they need a unix operating sytem to run them.. but what else????!!! can a shell be used to serve the internet?? how safe is it.. in terms of annonymity... can it be trusted.. or is it just simply like your home internet connection which can be traced in a matter of sec... ? ky here is the big question.. wat is the difference between a proxy and a bnc running of a shell account? if a bnc simply bounces your ip.. doesn't a proxy do the same.. then why go through all the extra trouble.. i really don't know if i am making anysense or not.. but someone plz try to anser...

Situation 1] ky let me just create a hypothetical situation.. suppose i buy like a 10$ a month shell acocunt from one of the providers... and somehow learn to upload a bnc and an eggdrop... (whihc is a long long dream/process for me yet) were does that leave me?.. ??? from wat i understand an eggdrop will give me a constant op on a channel.. i think... and a bnc will hide my real ip by bouncing of an another ip.. the ip of the shell .. am i right.. if i am saying anythign wrong plz let me know... ? so wats the big deal??? wat r some of the tings i can do with all of this ... and how does all .. i mean all of this tie into maintaining your annonymity.. ? like when serving the internet and all not just irc.. how can i use this to maitain annnymit? how do all of this realate to each other.. plz expalin this to me.. and someone plz answer!! .. i really need to understand as much as i could about 1) bnc, 2) shell, 3) eggdrops.

thx for reading all of this.. but try to answer as much as u could only if someone answeres "main quesiton 1" and someone else answers "main quesiton 2" that would be great... and if someone else answers "Situation 1" God i am asking for a lot of help... uhhh ...nywazz thx for reading... n hopefully i will get some response..

latezzzz

ppslim · Post by **ppslim** » Sun Mar 09, 2003 7:49 pm

In reality, you have the two questions in the wrong order.

All nodes (not computers) on the internet, have to have a IP address, otherwise, there is no way of contacting them. Without one, you can't even reply to them. It's exactly as it sounds, and address, the location where to find it on the internet.

A shell is a simple name, for a command prompt / core access, to part of a computer, be it local, or remote.

In the Internet sence, shells, are remote access, to the command prompt of another computer.

Just like with MSDOS, you can execute programs/applications using a shell. However, instead of the program starting on your local computer, you are running it remotly, on the system to which you are talking too.

Most shell systems, run on UNIX or Linux, however, you can run shells on whatever operating systems provide such services, be it Mac, BeOS or even windows.

Because of the nature of a shell, being able to run programs remotly, you can use such applications like BNC or Eggdrop. Regardless of the state of your internet connection, so long as the remote system is running, and has internet access, the program will stay running and have internet access.

Eggdrop: Eggdrop is a IRC robot.

As we well know, robots are automated machines, designed to go about specific set tasks.

Eggdrop is the same. It is set to perform housekeeping, protection and anythign else programmed in (or added on, using Tcl script and modules), in a automated fasion.

Eggdrop will not keep OPs all the time. Only if the IRC server permits it to, or there is nobody else on at the time, it will do. Again, this is so long as the shell is running, and there is a internet connection.

BNC: IRC bouncer.

As you rightly pointed, it bouces your connection, between points.

Instead of the IP of your compyter being showed, the IP of the shell account is shown.

This can and does provide protection of DDOS atracks and such. However, only to a limited point, as any computer is attackable.

Fissile · Post by **Fissile** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:50 am

ahhh... thx thx.. that confirmed a lot of stuff for me.. u the man!!!

i just have one follow up question.. u said "Instead of the IP of your compyter being showed, the IP of the shell account is shown." humm.. if that is true and if you purchase a shell account wouldn't it be preety easy to trace it back to u? and ino that a bnc can be used to connect to irc, but can u use it to surf the net aswell??

thx again.. (y)

ppslim · Post by **ppslim** » Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:06 pm

It may well be possible for people to trace the IP back to you. However, that is so long as the shell provider is very bad at his business, and want to goto court.

The IP shown on IRC, will be the IP of the shell machine. It will look as if you are on the machine the BNC is running on.

Due to international law, and so on, shell providers are not allowed to give away customer details, with the exception of government agencies when they show a warrant.

Otherwise normal folk are stuck, at seeing your as being from the shell, and not your real ISP.

BNC's are only for IRC, and not for web-browsing.

For web-browsing, you need to use a proxy server. You ISP might provide you with one of these.

Fissile · Post by **Fissile** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:51 pm

ohh ky.. kool.. that corfmed.. many more question!! i just one more followup question.. i hope m not being too stupid!

well ino wat a proxy is.. and i recetly got a better view of a sock proxy or wat not... but from your previous responce of a bnc/shell i guess your isp can also track your ip can't they...?

well i might be wrong here.. but i was just downloading some other stuff from download.com when i came across this program called primedius.. and this is what the description said:
"Primedius Privacy Package lets you surf the Web privately and securely, without even your ISP or Network Administrator knowing which sites you visited. This is accomplished by using encrypted proxy channels between your computer and the Primedius secure proxy servers. This also serves to shield your IP address from the websites you visit. Primedius Privacy Package works with existing proxy servers that you might presently be using to connect to the net, which allows you to use WebTunnel even from within corporate work environments."

doesn't this sound too well.. wats the right word... anonymous.. wat r your thoughts on it.. i mean general thoughts can a program do this?

thx agains ppslim... (Y)

ppslim · Post by **ppslim** » Wed Mar 12, 2003 7:45 pm

While this os off topic, to hell with it.

It all depends.

The connection is opnly private, if you have 100% control of start point, end point and transit path.

You only have control of one portion (start point).

While I can't confirm what this software does, the ideas behind it are sound to a point.

Encryption on clinet side (your computer) takes place, and sends it all to there servers. This sound slike it can bounce through other servers in the process, but this will only slow traffic and obscure things slightly.

Anything between you and there servers (including your ISP) will not know what you are downloading.

However, once it reaches there server, it needs to be decrypted, so that the real site can talk. AT this point, the information because available to snoopers again.

Programs like this also posses privacy issues for 2 reasons.

1: They collect data on the sites your visit.

2: Normaly your have to snoop and viw the connection directly, or a site has to request information. However, they have direct access to what you send and receive.

Fissile · Post by **Fissile** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:45 am

heheh thx agains psslim.. u know to much.. what u do read encyclopeidas of this stuff

hehe thx again

ppslim · Post by **ppslim** » Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:41 am

Most of what I get is from news papers, magazines, geek portals and a hell of a lot fo tech documents.

Most of the time, I don't read the tech jargon, just I read the rest, giving me enought o go back on in the future.

Seeing as my job in genral is "Technology support", providing PC support, network admin, structured cabling, database design, website design, video editing, graphic editing, photo finishing (A1 Greyscale and 8 part colour), PC pruchasing, genral technology advice and a whole host of other stuff (the list is damned long, and usualy gains 2 or 3 items a week).

This means I do a lot of reading, and heling with stuff like this, usualy keeps research skills in step.