awyeah wrote:Well it's not that difficult to tweak C, so just take some time to understand the source code properly, implement your logic correctly and it will work if it doesn't crash.
It's not difficult for a C programmer; what I was saying was that it's beyond me how you managed to tweak C application without actually knowing C... anyhow
Basically what I mean't was ircd's whose source code is generally available for the public as in DALnet's case, yes bahamut is for public and also for other networks, but not for EFnet or IRCnet, if you understood. So if all public can use these source codes then services coders do include support in their services.
it's the other way around - although bahamut is public (can't be private since it originates from hybrid), DALnet services are and have always been private - whereas all of EFnet's and IRCnet's server software (including stuff that you label as "oper services") is and have always been public
Besides every network has services. It is incorrect to say they don't. EFnet also has just not for users, only for staff and administration. Like how would you place akills? There has to be an oper management service similar to OperServ/RootServ, similar for IRCnet or whichever net you speak of.
we were talking about channel services; EFnet and IRCnet
do not have channel services; EFnet has ChanFix, which is
not a channel services in the sense of all other known channel services (it only restores ops on opless channels or reverses takeovers, using a fair score system - that's all there is to it - no registration, no taking channels forever)
and no, there's no need of any Oper/Root/Abuse or any other "Serv" serving powers-to-be; but there's no point of explaining my views on the subject to you, since your IRC experience is obviously limited to DALnet only
Anyway, EFnet and IRCnet ircd's are not built for interaction with these types of services anyways so its quite understood to say they wouldn't support it. My idea here was a general case, ALL as in most of the free source codes of ircds available.
again, it's the other way around - the services mentioned by you are not designed with hybrid and irc2.10 in mind, bacause the majority of their users (admins of smaller networks) prefer bahamut/Unreal and other similar ircds with tons of useless bells & whistles, half of them built-in abuse features serving powers-to-be, i.e. them
Besides DALnet's services are not 100% efficient. I have seen flaws over the past 8 years on them. The coders claim to be one of the most intelligent and knowledgable persons. Thats what reply I got, when I emailed one "Do you know even who I am! I am the head coder!"
there is no such thing as stable (channel) services, due to the centralized nature of that thing; the best there could be is properly designed & implemented (also well-hidden and protected from DDoS monkeys) SQL-driven nick & channel services, but we have yet to see someone to come up with that