nope this isn't like that you drink coca cola but not pepsi not important if you drink pepsi cola.
they call that mirc cause they are so narrow about internet. I now a lot of people that they say "I know internet for 15 years".(lol)
You start as a stranger but will be a master if you are wide-minded...
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[[MaSteR]
Sup all, interesting subject. This is how I view it, we have different types of users on the net (I have split this into 2 sections but there are more, some are in between some are above/below):
1. People who care about every little protical and how you say it. Which is actually a low number (techs. geeks etc. no offense).
2. People who just want to use it and don't care what so ever about what IRC means or what a socket is. (The majority users fall into this catagory).
Now what is this topic really about? are we here to just make fun of the users who don't know what the difference bettween mIRC and IRC is? Remember we weren't born with the knowledge we have now, it's a learning process and we picked to learn about what we use and we found out that mIRC, bitch X is a client and we are "chatting" on IRC. So if I go around making fun of any user that has limited knowledge then what I have gained? Nothing and that is just wrong. I don't know everything and neither does anyone that is human. Look I am not here to bash or put any one down but the fact of the matter is we can all complain that some people are "ignorant" but unless you do something about it, it doesn't matter now does it? Some people don't even know how to turn on the pc, it's not that they can't or can not learn to do so but the fact that no one is there to teach them how to do it. Remember some users don't have access to all the luxurys we have. I had a hard time learning these terms since I live in a small community with very limited computers but I was lucky enough to be able to get one of my own and learn from it since it was my hobby and something I desired to do. Other don't love computers as much as I do that is what makes them have that limited knowledge that they have about such subjects. So to cut this lenghty argument short, unless you do something about it, it's not going to make any differnce at all. l83|2z.
1. People who care about every little protical and how you say it. Which is actually a low number (techs. geeks etc. no offense).
2. People who just want to use it and don't care what so ever about what IRC means or what a socket is. (The majority users fall into this catagory).
Now what is this topic really about? are we here to just make fun of the users who don't know what the difference bettween mIRC and IRC is? Remember we weren't born with the knowledge we have now, it's a learning process and we picked to learn about what we use and we found out that mIRC, bitch X is a client and we are "chatting" on IRC. So if I go around making fun of any user that has limited knowledge then what I have gained? Nothing and that is just wrong. I don't know everything and neither does anyone that is human. Look I am not here to bash or put any one down but the fact of the matter is we can all complain that some people are "ignorant" but unless you do something about it, it doesn't matter now does it? Some people don't even know how to turn on the pc, it's not that they can't or can not learn to do so but the fact that no one is there to teach them how to do it. Remember some users don't have access to all the luxurys we have. I had a hard time learning these terms since I live in a small community with very limited computers but I was lucky enough to be able to get one of my own and learn from it since it was my hobby and something I desired to do. Other don't love computers as much as I do that is what makes them have that limited knowledge that they have about such subjects. So to cut this lenghty argument short, unless you do something about it, it's not going to make any differnce at all. l83|2z.
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I know that i stated in my last reply that i wouldnt make any more comments to this topic but i just HAVE to say this:
1: If youve found your way to www.egghelp.org, i 'think' you know what IRC is. I doubt that anyone with 0 knowledge reads through this forum if they cant read through a 5 row explanation of the IRC protocol at www.mirc.com. Education is important, but this 'post' most likley didnt reach the 'hi, lets meet on mirc after school' type of guys.
2: I agree on that 'Yourname's POST wasnt making fun of anything. It was most of the replies that did so.. (if im not mistaken). Some of my replies probably wasnt amoung the brightest (for some people: not this one either) but the whole thing developed itself to become quite interesting to read
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I know i need to improve my English skills, so if any of you needs to put any remarks to this reply, please dont use my lack of lingo knowledge as
a topic for that remark.
1: If youve found your way to www.egghelp.org, i 'think' you know what IRC is. I doubt that anyone with 0 knowledge reads through this forum if they cant read through a 5 row explanation of the IRC protocol at www.mirc.com. Education is important, but this 'post' most likley didnt reach the 'hi, lets meet on mirc after school' type of guys.
2: I agree on that 'Yourname's POST wasnt making fun of anything. It was most of the replies that did so.. (if im not mistaken). Some of my replies probably wasnt amoung the brightest (for some people: not this one either) but the whole thing developed itself to become quite interesting to read
.I know i need to improve my English skills, so if any of you needs to put any remarks to this reply, please dont use my lack of lingo knowledge as
a topic for that remark.
sneeze.
Allmost all the people on this forum would disagree on point 1 of your last post. Adn this include the people that get frustrated at the initial issue, but help the user understand, rather than complain at them.
Remember. You may have read the "5 row discription" on www.mirc.com, but 99.9% of other will not have, trust me.
I have been asked many a time, what IRC is, and that is after the person has tried setting up a bot.
Just look at eggdrop.
It comes with adaquate documentation. Including
Now lets look in the file doc/ABOUT
In this file, it gives a more details explanation (simalar to the previous one) of what IRC is. It also states the following
Look at the search feature of this forum. Do a search for "read tcl-commands.doc". Allthough it is not an acurate portrait of what I am getting at, it still returns 395 matches.
This proves that your claim that people read, is faulse.
99.9% jump into the pit first, without reading the sign about the spikes.
As for people finding there way to egghelp.org. That another story. Do a search for the following string on google, yahoo (web pages, not web sites) and altavista
AKA, egghelp.org is there first port of call.
People would rather ask for an opinion, rather than find out for themselves.
To top it off, some of them are rude in the process. Some posts are ignored (Well, not answered), and they moan because of it. And worse, some of them moan when the answer is not received within 2 hours.
As for your english skills. Nobody will judge you by your english. Infact,m nobody will judge you, unless you blatently fail to even consider reading help files.
Translation of files into somthing that can be made more understandable, well that is different. People usualy say "I have read this, my english isn't that good, and I don't understand it". That is what the forum is about, helping people to understand, not telling them the answer, when they didn't bother to look for themselves.
As proof. If every1 did read that 5 row segment of text, this post would have never been created. As such, becuase people do say mirc instead of IRC, it is proof that the concept is untrue.
Allmost all the people on this forum would disagree on point 1 of your last post. Adn this include the people that get frustrated at the initial issue, but help the user understand, rather than complain at them.
Remember. You may have read the "5 row discription" on www.mirc.com, but 99.9% of other will not have, trust me.
I have been asked many a time, what IRC is, and that is after the person has tried setting up a bot.
Just look at eggdrop.
It comes with adaquate documentation. Including
- Information for developers (limited, but all the same it's there)
- Information for Tcl scripters (very advanced)
- Information of known issues, that are not caused by eggdrop
- Information on how to compile eggdrop, and problems that may happen
- Information on previous versions
- Information on how to report bugs (now try finding out how to do that on mIRC. Yes, you use the forums. That is now, 7 months ago, they did not exist)
Surly this must point out there mistakeEggdrop is the world's most popular Internet Relay Chat (IRC) bot;
Even more, they still ask what it does.An IRC bot is a program that sits on an IRC channel and preforms automated tasks while looking just like a normal user on the channel. Some of these functions include protecting the channel from abuse, allowing privileged users to gain op or voice status, logging channel events, providing information, hosting games, etc.
Now lets look in the file doc/ABOUT
In this file, it gives a more details explanation (simalar to the previous one) of what IRC is. It also states the following
Now some of that doesn't need to be covered, unless you are running it on your own system (which is another story. A much worse one).To use Eggdrop, you need:
* Some sort of Unix account
* A pretty good knowledge of IRC and Unix, including how to
compile programs, how to read, and what DCC chat is, at absolute
minimum.
* About 5-7 MB of disk space. The Eggdrop tarball is about 4.8 MB
unpacked.
* Tcl -- Eggdrop cannot compile without Tcl installed on your
shell.
Look at the search feature of this forum. Do a search for "read tcl-commands.doc". Allthough it is not an acurate portrait of what I am getting at, it still returns 395 matches.
This proves that your claim that people read, is faulse.
99.9% jump into the pit first, without reading the sign about the spikes.
As for people finding there way to egghelp.org. That another story. Do a search for the following string on google, yahoo (web pages, not web sites) and altavista
I can guarantee that www.egghelp.org is the first result every time. That in itself is impressive. But remember, people judge a search result on the result placement.eggdrop help
AKA, egghelp.org is there first port of call.
People would rather ask for an opinion, rather than find out for themselves.
To top it off, some of them are rude in the process. Some posts are ignored (Well, not answered), and they moan because of it. And worse, some of them moan when the answer is not received within 2 hours.
As for your english skills. Nobody will judge you by your english. Infact,m nobody will judge you, unless you blatently fail to even consider reading help files.
Translation of files into somthing that can be made more understandable, well that is different. People usualy say "I have read this, my english isn't that good, and I don't understand it". That is what the forum is about, helping people to understand, not telling them the answer, when they didn't bother to look for themselves.
As proof. If every1 did read that 5 row segment of text, this post would have never been created. As such, becuase people do say mirc instead of IRC, it is proof that the concept is untrue.
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Hello all. First off I would like to state that I wasn't trying to insult anyone in any way. But rather giving my own opinion of the main subject itself. So sorry for any of the missunderstandings that may have derived from this. Secondly I highly agree with ppslim's post that just because I have been able to access this post doesn't mean I know how to do networking - it's rather different. Although I do but that's not the point. About the resources and documentation yes they are there for the users but most users don't know that the readme.txt file is for them to open up (yes it may sound funny to you) but most users think of only the main program and just search for the exe or the setup file and just ignore the readme. Also the main problem most users have is trying to figure out exactly what they are looking for, like in english there is many ways to say the samething but if the user can only think of X and the actual search criteria is Y the user may never find the correct answer. I for one can vouch on that but constantly trying and knowing the right people helped in that process. Again these statements aren't pointing to any person but rather just an opinion and should be taken as such. I am here to learn and help and I think most of the users here all feel the same but that's another opinion and ofcourse I can only speak for myself but we do have some universal connection or we wouldn't be here. Anywayz l83|2z till the next post .
.Then they need to be educated. And quite honestly, I've never met anyone that doesn't know that software comes with documentation of some sort. Most are just too bloody lazy to actually read it, instead opting for the easy option of asking someone else so they have to do the grunt work of looking it up.[MaSteR] wrote:About the resources and documentation yes they are there for the users but most users don't know that the readme.txt file is for them to open up (yes it may sound funny to you) but most users think of only the main program and just search for the exe or the setup file and just ignore the readme.
